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	<title>Comments on: Arts students - The 11th plague</title>
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	<description>Your IQ drops by 5 points for each post you read, and you didn't have that much to begin with.</description>
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		<title>By: Crommunist</title>
		<link>http://porocrom.poromenos.org/2005/10/09/arts-students-the-11th-plague/#comment-194</link>
		<dc:creator>Crommunist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2005 23:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has generated more discussion than I could have ever expected. I think you are missing my point though... arts students are dumb. Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has generated more discussion than I could have ever expected. I think you are missing my point though&#8230; arts students are dumb. Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: theid</title>
		<link>http://porocrom.poromenos.org/2005/10/09/arts-students-the-11th-plague/#comment-190</link>
		<dc:creator>theid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2005 16:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a former student of a college of business, I must say that there is wide variation in business classes. Information systems, transportation logistics, and management students have it easy (aside from programming courses), but finance and accounting are more like math &#38; engineering. They are similar to engineering in that they both use a focused bit of math for their respective field of study and are usually filled with serious students. I've got a degree from each side and I've been through some horrid but mandatory "extra" classes from the college of liberal arts that have nothing to do with any potential career, unless you plan to teach the same thing as a professor. I'm no longer surprised to find a lot of blissful ignorance in those classes.
You must have found the center of liberal thinking (every school has at least one); if not, I pity all those innocent minds at the University of Waterloo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a former student of a college of business, I must say that there is wide variation in business classes. Information systems, transportation logistics, and management students have it easy (aside from programming courses), but finance and accounting are more like math &amp; engineering. They are similar to engineering in that they both use a focused bit of math for their respective field of study and are usually filled with serious students. I&#8217;ve got a degree from each side and I&#8217;ve been through some horrid but mandatory &#8220;extra&#8221; classes from the college of liberal arts that have nothing to do with any potential career, unless you plan to teach the same thing as a professor. I&#8217;m no longer surprised to find a lot of blissful ignorance in those classes.<br />
You must have found the center of liberal thinking (every school has at least one); if not, I pity all those innocent minds at the University of Waterloo.</p>
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		<title>By: Poromenos</title>
		<link>http://porocrom.poromenos.org/2005/10/09/arts-students-the-11th-plague/#comment-189</link>
		<dc:creator>Poromenos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2005 11:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's true that there are people who are influenced by the opinions of others, but if I look at a painting, sculpture, etc and it's crap, I'll say it's crap. People may say "bah, you wouldn't know art if it bit you in the nuts" but they're just pushovers who succumb to peer pressure. And there's a lot of them. Many times I happen not to like famous works by famous artists, and no matter how many people say they're good, they're crap to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s true that there are people who are influenced by the opinions of others, but if I look at a painting, sculpture, etc and it&#8217;s crap, I&#8217;ll say it&#8217;s crap. People may say &#8220;bah, you wouldn&#8217;t know art if it bit you in the nuts&#8221; but they&#8217;re just pushovers who succumb to peer pressure. And there&#8217;s a lot of them. Many times I happen not to like famous works by famous artists, and no matter how many people say they&#8217;re good, they&#8217;re crap to me.</p>
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		<title>By: AB3A</title>
		<link>http://porocrom.poromenos.org/2005/10/09/arts-students-the-11th-plague/#comment-188</link>
		<dc:creator>AB3A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2005 01:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an engineer, I feel as if I'm missing something big when looking at art.  There were two things I kept missing:  First, there is an aesthetic which is simply inexplicable.  It's the same thing I feel when I look at two solutions to a technical problem.  One of them is definitely elegant and the other one is brutish.  Both get the job done, but one of them is obviously "better" and more creative.  

The second is simply where art students are playing with technique.  It's no different than engineers trying new techniques.  For example, an electrical engineer who designs a new type of coupling for a regenerative receiver is not breaking new ground in performance.  It's a new technique, but one that only engineers can appreciate.  Lots of art is like that too.  

That said, it's much easier to fool the public by calling stuff "art" than it is to do the same with engineering.  The former merely needs a good sales job to prove that it is art and not nonsense.  The latter either does what it claims or it doesn't.  

Now you know why so many idiots gravitate toward the arts and social studies.  It's easy to BS a random person who doesn't know you.  Refuting the claims is not nearly as easy as refuting the claims of an engineer.  They have the laws of physics to contend with.  

And the BS factor even extends across decades.  Witness the Snow Job that Freud perpetrated against the study of psychology.  His work has been almost entirely debunked (but for a few whacko cling-ons).  Yet: when someone does good work it canlast for centuries.  Does anyone claim that the Mona Lisa is garbage?  Does anyone think that William Shakespeare's plays were third rate?   

Don't judge the arts by the incompetence of the many.  There are good artists out there.  Unfortunately for every one of them, there are at least 10 more who pretend.  Likewise, I've had the good fortune of working for a very creative and capable boss.  He knew how to lead and manage smart people.  I've never seen his like since.  There are good bosses out there.  Unfortunately, it's also true that he never attended business school.  You see, this isn't something you can teach.  It's something that you pursue.  

And therein lies the rub.  You can't learn art in school.  You can only learn about it.  That's why you see so many idiots in liberal arts schools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an engineer, I feel as if I&#8217;m missing something big when looking at art.  There were two things I kept missing:  First, there is an aesthetic which is simply inexplicable.  It&#8217;s the same thing I feel when I look at two solutions to a technical problem.  One of them is definitely elegant and the other one is brutish.  Both get the job done, but one of them is obviously &#8220;better&#8221; and more creative.  </p>
<p>The second is simply where art students are playing with technique.  It&#8217;s no different than engineers trying new techniques.  For example, an electrical engineer who designs a new type of coupling for a regenerative receiver is not breaking new ground in performance.  It&#8217;s a new technique, but one that only engineers can appreciate.  Lots of art is like that too.  </p>
<p>That said, it&#8217;s much easier to fool the public by calling stuff &#8220;art&#8221; than it is to do the same with engineering.  The former merely needs a good sales job to prove that it is art and not nonsense.  The latter either does what it claims or it doesn&#8217;t.  </p>
<p>Now you know why so many idiots gravitate toward the arts and social studies.  It&#8217;s easy to BS a random person who doesn&#8217;t know you.  Refuting the claims is not nearly as easy as refuting the claims of an engineer.  They have the laws of physics to contend with.  </p>
<p>And the BS factor even extends across decades.  Witness the Snow Job that Freud perpetrated against the study of psychology.  His work has been almost entirely debunked (but for a few whacko cling-ons).  Yet: when someone does good work it canlast for centuries.  Does anyone claim that the Mona Lisa is garbage?  Does anyone think that William Shakespeare&#8217;s plays were third rate?   </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t judge the arts by the incompetence of the many.  There are good artists out there.  Unfortunately for every one of them, there are at least 10 more who pretend.  Likewise, I&#8217;ve had the good fortune of working for a very creative and capable boss.  He knew how to lead and manage smart people.  I&#8217;ve never seen his like since.  There are good bosses out there.  Unfortunately, it&#8217;s also true that he never attended business school.  You see, this isn&#8217;t something you can teach.  It&#8217;s something that you pursue.  </p>
<p>And therein lies the rub.  You can&#8217;t learn art in school.  You can only learn about it.  That&#8217;s why you see so many idiots in liberal arts schools.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Briolat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Briolat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2005 23:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hehe, the only arts student I ever properly knew was my ex-girlfriend...  And sometimes, you just gotta nod, smile and ignore them  :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hehe, the only arts student I ever properly knew was my ex-girlfriend&#8230;  And sometimes, you just gotta nod, smile and ignore them  <img src='http://porocrom.poromenos.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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